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bruce
02-14-2010, 01:53 PM
And not always for the best. I could probably have just added to some of the other threads, but my memory won't last long enough. Our place seats 89 legally and is rated as 46 restaurant to 43 bar. We can drink in the restaurant and eat in the bar, so the seating arrangement is mainly for the detriment of minors. They have limited seating. This allows family dining on one side and adult only on the other side, with one portion of 25 seats that may be used either way. This also gives us a small area that can be reserved for special functions.
We have room for the Wii in the dual purpose area, or room to dance if someone wants to. We also have a cheesy Karoake machine that we use for fun and contests, good singers get a kick out of it, borderline singers don't like it because it can score their ability and makes no allowance for personal style. We once or twice a year try outside entertainment as we can afford it and try not to do what is being done elsewhere in the town.
We also have a a very good pool table with poor lighting that I am able to move to one side for more room if necessary. It is a very slow day that does not see something being used for entertainment and sometimes all three items at the same time. We do not charge for any of the games. Everything is free to play, as long as the rules are followed.[STRAP ON if you want to play Wii]
We have a full menu for the restaurant and daily specials that are not menu items. We run a week day happy hour 3pm to 6pm and one or two closeout drink specials most of the time. We do fund raisers for some causes that we like and try to support special events in the local area. Sometimes there are more of these than we can scrape up money for. We do kid birthday gift cards, frequent diner discount cards, spontaneous Wii tournaments, spur of the moment pool tourneys and run four tv's in the bar usually on sport or movie channels according to who wants to watch what. All on the same channel or each on a seperate channel.
The bar area including the special room is about 800 square feet and the restaurant side is a bit smaller seating wise. We really need to get a gambling license so that we could play poker during some of the early, slow evenings.
To repeat, we are one of three small bars in a two block section of Winlock, Wa. and are just barley surviving with the economy the way it is. We would gladly sell our place if we could get out with enough money to make it worthwhile. As will the other two places down the street.
All this leads up to the fact that we are always being told by someone else, that has no investment in either time or money, how they can make our business better if we give them some of the money that we don't have. Once in a great while someone will guarantee an increase in our business until I ask them to put their money where their mouth is.
I am the idea person in this business with my wife and after four and a half years of seven days a week, there are a lot of things I have learned and wish I could have known to start with. One is not to hire family members no matter what. Close the door first. Another is do everything you can yourself except for cleaning, use that time to get another idea how to bring in more customers. Do not take advice from your employees, seek it from another source. Keep an open mind and an open eye on all aspects of the business or someone you least expect will steal you blind.
I hope by now you all realize that I am ranting because I am getting old and senile and not really able to do this 15 hours a day 7 days a week. It has been fun and I wish I had started sooner. We get a lot of questions on here about nightclubs, financing, drink prices etc.. Usually when I read them I wonder who is scaming who. I have been in a lot of bars over the years, but not what I would really call a nightclub. I would call my place a family restaurant with a neighborhood bar. I paid the piper to get here and really like what I have with one or two exceptions. Well it is time for me to go find another idea. I need to see what bar is open now.

BARTENDER 54
02-15-2010, 10:54 PM
Hey Bruce,
Again I'm sorry I didn't get to stop by (when you were open) when I was up there in Nov. or whenever the hell it was...But I will be back... There are 3 bars there on the main drag? I thought you were it....the only dog in town.
Well, does everybody open 7 days or do they close a day or two? The thing with me or us, is that it just got too much to be open 7 days...we picked Monday...because its typically dead..and just pulled the plug....YOU HAVE TO HAVE A DAY TO RECHARGE YOUR BATTERIES... Talk to the other guys and see if you can all alternate a night to close thru the week....that would NOT work here cuzz I guess we're all assholes to each other and don't talk to each other...
I just figured that I deserved a night off...I'm there during the day Monday but just for salesmen and beer delivery....We normally don't open till 5 anyway, so by 5'ish on Monday I'm at home. RELAXING & RECHARGING...
I don't know what to tell you, I know things are tough all over but we've seriously been doing fairly well... But we've got enough room that we have Polka dances every other Sunday (we have a large Czech population here) and do country bands on every other Fri..And I think that has pretty much kept us afloat... That and the damned Global Warming that keeps closing the road so people are stuck in town.
Anyway, again I can't tell ya what to do because everywhere is different... But the main thing is YOU NEED TO TAKE A DAY A WEEK OFF...You may think you can't afford to.. but in reality you can't afford NOT to... You have to keep your shit together or everything suffers.
Good Luck my friend,
Rick

bruce
02-16-2010, 08:13 AM
Rick; I didn't mean it to sound like I was burning out altogether. I was just reading another post on here that was asking those that do to give the answers to those that don't. Most of the answers are not hard and fast. Sometimes you would think that those who ask their questions first have been in school too long.
We are not doing as bad as some are doing, as we still are open. I think I read that our county has the second highest unemployment rate in the state[almost 15%].
My wife made the startling statement to me a while back that she had noticed that price didn't matter as much as youth when it came to the bar business. I don't think she ever paid attention when we were young.
Well, try to stop by on your next trip. Bruce

Ruben
02-26-2010, 01:28 PM
Hey Bruce.

I hope you get young soon rather then getting old. Maybe you need a vacation?

"I am the idea person in this business with my wife and after four and a half years of seven days a week, there are a lot of things I have learned and wish I could have known to start with. One is not to hire family members no matter what. Close the door first. Another is do everything you can yourself except for cleaning, use that time to get another idea how to bring in more customers. Do not take advice from your employees, seek it from another source. Keep an open mind and an open eye on all aspects of the business or someone you least expect will steal you blind."

I extremely agree!

bruce
04-04-2010, 01:30 PM
I hope that I got the two words right. I can barely see the screen with a torn retna in one eye and the other with wavy lines from a previous repair of a torn retna.
We have decided to put the business on the market and put a 299 k asking price on it which includes everything to any qualified person with cash, except licenses from state, county, and city. Include even the inventory at time of posession. I am not expecting to sell immediatly, but it is a first step.
We have gone back to our past to try to build business with things that seemed to work elsewhere. We tried an early evening pool tourney that got over about 10 pm and showed some limited success and several requests for a repeat. We tried Karoake two weeks ago and again had some limited success till about 11 pm at which point things died. Last night we tried Karoake again in a situation with very tight quarters that left room to dance and started at 7 pm with about 3 singers in attendance. Within an hour the dance area was being used lightly and about 30 people were in attendance and stayed till after 11 pm. Rotating somewhere around a dozen very good singers when compared to most karoake nights. At least two were members of a very good local band who sang, left for another place and returned shortly to sing again and avoid the younger crowd at the other bar which also had karoake two blocks away. This turned out to be the most sucessful entertainment night that we have had of this type. No fights or arguments, good singers, repeated request to try for an every other week return of the event and an all around good time.
The 7 pm start time was an attempt to lure in the early to bed, early to rise crowd that work for a living. This is the group that eats well, drinks plenty, and retires early to return another day in the week. Average age was probably close to 50. I have to admit that I have been reluctant to try this scenario, since it has been discontinued in other local places. We will again try this setup for a few weeks to see how it will pan out. We are a small place and run this whole night with just one person tending bar and cooking and waiting table on the bar side after the grill closes at 9 pm. I will update as we go along from this point.