I Want To Pick Your Brains Nys B.y.o.b. Clubs

[bobbyg]

;)
FIRST I LIKE TO SAY THIS IS A GREAT SITE....... KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK........

WITH TODAYS D.W.I. LAWS GETTING TOUGHER ,IT HAS BROUGHT MY INTEREST TO A B.Y.O.B. CLUB [ BRING YOUR BOOZE ] CLUB .
WHAT ARE THE PROS & CONS OF THIS TYPE VENUE ???

LET ME POUR YOU A DRINK, AND PICK YOUR BRAINS ON THIS SUBJECT...
I HAVE TALKED TO A LOT OF PEOPLE ON THIS SUBJECT AND IM STILL NOT QUITE SURE ON WHAT YOU CAN & CANNOT DO........

PLEASE GIVE ME ANY INFORMATION YOU CAN ON HOW TO SET UP & RUN A NYS B.Y.O.B. CLUB [ IM IN CNY]

I LIKE THE IDEA THAT YOUR NOT PUTTIN BOOZE IN THERE HANDS...
OK NOW ITS YOUR TURN, [ GIVE IT TO ME BABY ]

[Andrew]

Being a patron and bringing anything into a club or bar is difficult. Bottles of booze can even be treated as weapons. How do you know what is inside them? Drugs? Toxic or volatile substances?

Then you have to excercise duty-of-care; you may not be putting "BOOZE IN THERE HANDS" but you still need to police how much they consume. I believe it is too hard to control effectvely.

It is a good idea for restaurants where the pace is relaxed and you have more time to interact with fewer and probably more predictable patrons.

[bobbyg]

Originally posted by Andrew
Being a patron and bringing anything into a club or bar is difficult. Bottles of booze can even be treated as weapons. How do you know what is inside them? Drugs? Toxic or volatile substances?

Then you have to excercise duty-of-care; you may not be putting "BOOZE IN THERE HANDS" but you still need to police how much they consume. I believe it is too hard to control effectvely.

It is a good idea for restaurants where the pace is relaxed and you have more time to interact with fewer and probably more predictable patrons.

:confused: :confused:

Yes- YES you have a very GOOD POINT THERE....

BUT WHATS THE DIFFERENCE ??? WE SELL BOTTLES NOW THAT CAN BE USED AS WEAPONS....
SOMEONE COULD BRING IN A BOTTLE OF DRUGS..... OR TOXIC......OR A VOLATILE SUBSTANCE UNDER THEIR COAT OR IN THEIR POCKETBOOK INTO ARE NY STATE LICENSED BARS HOW DO WE KNOW. WE DO NOT FRISK EVERYONE OR DO A STRIP SEARCH
TO ENTER A CLUB....AS FAR AS CONTROLING THEIR CONSUMATION YOU WOULD ONLY ALLOW THEM TO BRING IN A CERTAIN AMOUNT
OF SEALED CONTAINERS

ANDREW THANK YOU FOR YOUR FEED BACK BUT I AM STILL LOOKING FOR THE PROPER SET UP RULES FOR A B.Y.O.B. CLUB
THANKS BOBBYG

[steffen]

Bobby-

The thing you're not counting on, is the revenue that the States get, from the extra tax on Liquor, sold to businesses for retail (By-The-Drink). In Missouri, and Washington State, you have to purchase your booze (not beer/wine) from an authorized whole-seller, that is licensed from the state.

You get it cheeper than anywhere else, and there is no tax, because of the tax on the back end, but you're paying the state the extra "liquor tax." I don't know about Washington, but Missouri gets 10-15 MILLION DOLLARS in revenue from this.

Thus, the itty-bitty point at of this, it's really not do-able. Most states require a stamp of some sorts on the bottle, that says that it's been taxed appropriately.

Hope this helps, and keep 'em commin!

[bobbyg]

yes STEFFEN thanks for the feedback.
I UNDERSTAND ALL ABOUT HOW THE TAXES WORK. I WOULD NOT BE BUYIN ANY BOOZE AT ALL. I WOULD JUST BE SELLING THEM SODAS & NON ALCOHOLIC MIXERS LIKE ORANGE JUICE & ICE.
THE PERSON THAT PAID TO GET IN MY CLUB WOULD BUY THERE OWN BOOZE AND PAY THERE OWN TAX WHEN PURCHASED AT ANOTHER LOCATION. ....... THIS MEANS I COULD NOT OVER SERVE HIM.....I COULD NOT GET CHARGED WITH SEREVING A MINOR [ WITH FAKE ID OR NOT].......

I STILL NEED INFO. ON A N.Y.S. B.Y.O.B. CLUB ;) ;) ;)

YOU CAN CALL ME AT [315] 724-3447 WITH INFO.

THANKS bobbyG

[flairmaster]

I have to say that you are crazy, What do you mean with DWI laws,, Your still responsable for that patron whether you serve him/her or not. That's if it's even allowed, you need a license, which makes you liable for what ever happenes after they walk outside your establishment. seriously people are gonna bring liters of liquor and not get out of control, start fights, vomit, vandelize, I don't think you know what kind of bag of worms your opening up...........BYOB to a public establishment( what are you thinking), not to mention the law inforcement will be all over you ..Good Luck:mad:

[flairmaster]

Yes you can be charged with serving a minor.....even though you didn't serve them when they are in your establishment.They are your responsability.........It's the same thing as if you threw a House Party and there were underagers there and somebody else bought the beer guess who gets in trouble ...........YOU

[bobbyg]

Yes you can call me crazy... My friends do... I am 46 yrs old and I fight the toughman contests, for the last 6 yrs...

No Guts No Glory...You can call me crazy all the way to the bank...
First off you sound like you work for the State Liquor Authority...
Which I have called and they would not give me a straight answer either way on the subject

Give me a Break and get real (fights, vomit and vandal) this is your quote that could happen and it does all the time in bars all around NY State...

Who said minors would be served? NO ONE WOULD BE SERVED because they would bring in their own Booze and they would have to prove they are 21 or they could not come in just like at a bar...

The people that will come in are paying for the entertainment
and the roof over their head...So the only license you need is a Board of Health Permit and Occupancy Permit.

So mister negitave Flairmaster you should punch in your computer on search B.Y.O.B. Clubs and I think you would be amazed at how many are up and running and have been running for years...

To quote: from a large strip club (If we knew then what we know now we would have handed in our liquor license ten year ago)
This club also doubled their profits...

And as far as (opening a bag of worms) your quote todays bars nightclubs and thing with a liquor license is nothing but a bag of worms the cards already stacked against you...So please get real...Thanks for your feed back Bobbyg

Still seeking knowledge on the setup and operation of a New York Stay BYOB Club :D :D :D

[Doc]

I have recently investigated the idea of opening a B.Y.O.B Club, what prompted me to do so was the fact that a friend of mine was running a very profitable club. A new club opened up and the community wouldn't allow them to get a license. Well guess what , they decided to do a B.Y.O.B club with a $10. cover, they put My friend out of business in 6 months. I tell you guys , it was ugly. My friend had a $7 cover, he dropped that , he even went to the ABC board over the legality of the club. Their stance was since he was not selling alcohol there was nothing they could do. The club had no regulation on when it could open or close, He even opened on sunday which is a big night here. With all the rules and the ABC board harassing you , I think it might be worth it.

[vtandctob]

I know the rules change from state to state on these type clubs. I know that in FL you can operate a club like a moose lodge "whatever" where the "customers" members bring in their own alcohol and the club provides a bartender to do the mixology. I'm not sure of what qualifies as a "member" Also, be wairy of specific state laws governing the sale of Alcohol. When I was in college my fratenity got busted for the illegal sale of alcohol because they were charging a cover charge at the door and a person (NARC) who paid a cover charge got a beer that was not their own. Basically it didn't matter how he got the beer when he paid the cover charge and got a beer whether from another guest of member it was illegal. (The abc wanted to make an example out of us.)

I guess my point is, research every aspect of the law before you take any chances.

[BCreten]

when you get some information on one of these clubs... PM me... Very interested in the idea.
Brian

[Doc]

Talked to a local ABC enforcement officer and a state D.A. , The ABC Board stance is if you charge a cover and someone is serving alcohol at a "bar" then you are selling alcohol without a license. However , in the state of Alabama there is no law against BYOB, as long as it's personal bottles and no minors are caught drinking.

[MainSqueeze]

Why not just charge say $4 for each set up (coke, juice, etc.)

[The Event Guy]

In Providence, we have a strip club that is BYOB...patrons must check-in their booze, it's then brought to the bar by a barback, your name is placed on the bottle, and then they charge you everytime you want a drink...

They're charging you for the cup, soft drink, ice and service. LOL. Imagine that?

Now, as a (BYOB) business owner, it is still their responsibility to serve people alcohol under the criteria of BAR CODE. Opening the doors of an establishment twith a $10 door charge and letting patrons drink what ever they bring in is insane. The operator is still liable for the actions of these patrons.

Sounds crazy, but I would use the formula that I mentioned above, treat it as it your bar - with no overhead.

There's obviously many ways to do this, but I would suggest going to the city and state levels and finding out what's exactly feasible for your location.

[HonkyTonk Dude]

First I want to say that I have read all of the replies so far and there are some great ideas and some good adivce. Here is Texas where every other bar is byob, you dont have to have a liquor lisc. to run it. True the only money to be made is for the setups and the door if you have a live band playing. As far as liability, if someone gets drunk and hurt on your property, that should be handled by your premisis liability from your insurance. If someone under the age of 21 is caught drinking at your establishment, you will be charged with contributing to the deliquency of a minor and have civil charges but there is no liscense to loose in that instance. Every state has different requirements for this type of club. The best thing to do is to call the local authority and ask your questions. Also, do your homework. Are there any other byob clubs in the county? If yes, then go and check them out and see how the operate and what type of crowd they pull. If there are none, then there is most likely a real reason as to why. But one thing that I have always said that you will never know if you never try. Hope this helps

[raypatel]

I was thinking about doing this BYOB in Texas. I contacted ABC and they said that they don't regulate BYOD club or other venues that operate as BYOB. I like that idea that no ABC means less hassel for the owner. They told me to contact the city for info on this.
I talked with my city and they said that they have no objections to this type of a venue.
I would also like to add that in Texas, when you charge someone an entry fee, that is considered a public place, and as being such, it is regulated just like a bar, even if your not selling the booze, your providing a place to consume it. Same rules apply as a licensed bar, as far as liab is concerned.
Now that is just for the state of Texas. So, I would suggest that you send an e-mail to your local ABC Depart. and then also contact your city.
With all the rules and regulations on alchol, I am sticking to my teen club. Load them up on high energy drink and let them loose. Of course....I will have our local police depart as my security.

Ray

[Doc]

Ok Guys,
I have had a chance to buy a bar that's already licensed and fully operational. The owner is retiring, The bar is located in a rural area where there is only one other bar near it. In fact the owner of this bar use to own the other one. Anyway to get to the point. I am going to buy the place and guess what?. I AM GOING STRICTLY BYOB. This might sound crazy but let me tell you the reasoning behind it. I live in Alabama and the laws here are very strict. They have laws on the way you market the bar , It's the bible belt so you have to go through an act of congress to be open on sunday. If you don't have a club license.You have to be close by 2:am on saturday night, not closing , CLOSED, most people don't hit the club until after midnight. This bar has a fully equipped kitchen , if you sell food then you have a whole new set of regulations that you have to adhere too. The other club has a club license and they allow minors to come in. At $20.00 a head, they have more under 21 than they do adults. Most of the girls ,no matter what age , just want to dance. They seldom buy anything and the guys won't buy them a drink because they know them all, ( I know crazy) . I ran a bar in the area a couple of years ago like I said in an earlier thread and I was put out of business by a BYOB club. Fool Me once shame on you , Fool Me twice shame on Me. I have researched non-alcoholic beers and tasted them. True beer drinkere can notice a difference but not the average person , the same with non-alcoholic wines. and other drinks. I'm going to charge $10 bucks and do the BYOB and go for it.

[Estefon]

What's a club license go for in Alabama Doc?

[Doc]

$1500.
Here's something else guys that has further to go for it. I was at this club the other night( I closed on it today) anyway about 35 bikers came in , they were having some type of get together, anyway out of the whole group 10 beers were ordered, that was $20 bucks the owner made out of the whole group for about a hour and a half. If he had charged $10 bucks ahead and let them bring in the booze they kept going outside to hit, he would have made $350 off the top.

[The Event Guy]

Same on him... now he knows better especially when dealing with bikers.