good club vidoes???

[Tyler]

I'm starting a temp. teen nightclub, & I'm renting a projector. Anybody know of some good videos to show, I know that Alice in Wonderland is a good one because it is a fantasy. Anymore? Thanks!

[David]

Tyler:

Don't forget to pay your fees in order to show these videos. I would hate to see your program get shut down in the middle of a good night.

[Tyler]

David,
thanks for your post, what do you mean pay my fees so I don't get shut down? Thanks for help!!!

[Andrew]

Tyler,

I believe David is talking about copyright protection. Showing a video or playing music at home (private) is different than playing the same material in a club (public).

Same goes for music. Any material that you broadcast/narrowcast to a group of people would be treated as multiple hire and additional fees are applicable.

Of course, it may be possible to waive the fees if the copyright owner permits this, if so then get it in writing. Start by having a chat with the person whom you intended to hire the material from...

[Tyler]

Thanks andrew.

[jbrett]

One way to do this is to create your own videos, that way you own all the rights, you could make a video of previous nights you have done, and fun clips of people!

[Tyler]

Thanks man, that's a really good idea.

[jbrett]

With the right software and a digital video you can put adverts across the pictures, and get sponsorship off local companys which will apeal to the crowd too, maybe clothing stores, fast food venues ect. This will help pay for equipment, plus other things, as well as make extra revenue.

You can also advertise forthcomming attractions.

To keep people intrested you could zoom in on a person on the video and they have one month to come a claim some prize. Change it every week or so.

My DJ's record on some nights and play the previous nights busy parts while its quiet, and then film live on to the screen when its busy and the crowd are "Up for a laugh"

[edk3335]

dude whatever you do you dont wanna play "alice in wonderland"...it would kill it...play music videos along to the music..inbetween show a logo of your club..for example if youre calling it "static " for the night..which is a pretty cool name huh?....you can make it look really good..I got the idea from that movie "exit wounds" if you get a chance take a look you'll see what I mean...also monitors are way better than projectors..but I guess a projector is more of low cost than monitors...
- when it comes down to it you dont wanna make it seem like a kiddie club..promote it as you would a regular nightclub...dont mention "teen" on the flyers or whatever...call it a dry nite or all ages.. 16 n over..whatever...just make them feel imprtant and they'll come.. ;-)

[Andrew]

One regular event I attend has some well placed stacks of 3 monitors (on top of each other) promoting the theme of the night.

For some reason, it really appeals to me. The image is static and it's low cost and with the right colors and images/logo, they brighten up otherwise boring areas in larger spaces.

[Tyler]

Thanks jbrett, you gave me some really good ideas- keep em coming,ha ha.

[Tyler]

Thanks for your reply edk3335. I got the Alice in Wonderland idea from a 18 and up nightclub in Arizona. It was a bad ass club and they just kept replaying the movie without sound over & over.

[Tyler]

Andrew thanks again. This static your'e talking about, is it just plain static on the screen? Do they show anything else?

[Andrew]

Sorry to confuse.. I mean the image does not move and is a glorified sign. But it works (for me, anyway)..I thought that if you intended to place a few monitors (as well as a projector) around the place, it would be a nice filler between videos.

[Tyler]

So you mean like putting my logo or an ad on the screen in still motion. Thanks!

[clubeclipse]

Originally posted by Andrew
Tyler,

I believe David is talking about copyright protection. Showing a video or playing music at home (private) is different than playing the same material in a club (public).

Same goes for music. Any material that you broadcast/narrowcast to a group of people would be treated as multiple hire and additional fees are applicable.

Of course, it may be possible to waive the fees if the copyright owner permits this, if so then get it in writing. Start by having a chat with the person whom you intended to hire the material from...

In Texas (you would have to check your own state) we can show videos in public as long as there is no increase to the admission of the building.

[Tyler]

Thanks clubeclipse, do you know who I need to contact for thewt info?

[Dale J]

After re-reading this thread, I thought I'd offer my 2c on this topic for future reference of those in the teen industry. I'd be interested in hearing positive/negative comments related to my post below.

I'm in the final processes of starting a teen nightclub (14-18 age group) and have a small group of teens that have volunteered their thoughts on different subjects.

As far as the projector idea goes, it was agreed by ALL female teens in the group that a BIG projector would be distracting for the MALES at the club. The guys might rather view the huge TV than dance. The girls in the group are 15-17 and have had video dances at the school they go to. They have found on more than one occassion that the boys are too busy viewing the huge screen to be bothered with dancing. Putting it to a vote, the girls decided AGAINST a large screen video projection, but agreed that videos on smaller screens/TVs was a great idea.

Given that "what the girls want, the girls get" is a generally good formula, perhaps the "but it would be so cool to have it" thought should be examined with greater scrutiny.

These girls had some great thoughts/ideas on a variety of subjects. I'm going with their suggestion for smaller TVs.

[Dale J]

Regarding the "static" screens for displays of adverts and such...

I like the idea and had a similar thought on this for my soon-to-be-open teen club.

Cheap P133/166 etc. computers with 15"/17" screens would do the job more than adequately for this task. You could run a "show" of different ads through an internet browser. Create the HTML document (colors/pictures/java etc.) and put it on a re-direct to another webpage that's local to your harddrive. Make as many different screens as you need and just loop them. It'll run all night, changing the screen every 15-20 seconds showing a new screen with a new advert. I have already experimented with this @ home and find it to work well and looks expensive yet cost me only a smaller amount of money due to using older computers to do the job (I have 8 computers in my storage....they cost me no more than CDN$300.00).

Stack the monitors and have some fun with the idea. I can't wait to get this working in the club.

Hope I've sparked some interest...I first came up with this after visiting Las Vegas....Great town with great ideas.....To be exact...274 pictures worth of ideas!! (Thank God for digital cameras) ...:-)

[Tyler]

Thanks for the post!

[Baudtender]

clubeclipse wrote:
> In Texas (you would have to check your own state) we can
> show videos in public as long as there is no increase to the
> admission of the building.

Whoa - are you saying that Texas has someone opted out of
compliance with federal and international copyright laws? What
we're talking about here is public performance, which has nothing
to do with whether money is collected or not (or increased over
any normal amount collected.)

If your place is open to the public, then any copyrighted material
you show in it has to be properly licensed for public performance.
That ain't Texas law, that's federal, and it'll be in a federal court
you'll be liable to face civil and/or criminal action. To my
knowledge, it's not possible for any individual state to consider
itself outside of the jurisdiction of federal laws and treaties.

I think you must have been led to believe this is so due to a
false interpretation of Title 17, Section 506 of the U.S. Code:

"Any person who infringes a copyright willfully and for purposes
of commercial advantage or private financial gain shall be
punished as provided in section 2319 of title 18."

...where you figure that so long as you're not charging for it,
you're not using it for purposes of commercial advantage.
Unfortunately, the very precedent-setting case that now obliges
us to pay ASCAP/BMI licenses for the music we play (including
radio and television) was based on a Merry-Go-Round clothing
store that just had ambient pre-recorded copyrighted music
playing over its speakers. The court held that the store was
using the protected material of others for their own commercial
benefit (just establishing a mood or providing entertainment
can be considered an attraction for sales - if it didn't, why would
you bother?) And, I should point out, there is no difference in
copyright protection between music and video/film recordings.

Best get a second opinion from a qualified attorney, because
the penalites for commercial infringements are huge and have
bankrupted a ton of businesses.

Baudtender

[Baudtender]

On the subject of videos easily licensed for public performance:

There used to be a company that sold these - mainly sports
bloopers videos as I recall, but it was a sideline to their main
business which was selling music videos to DJ's on a monthly
subscription. Can't find 'em now and it's got me down.

But, here's a link out of the blue:
http://www.videolearning.com/subject.html

A number of titles that they sell include (so they say) public
performance rights. Now, I'd like to know if these are what
they imply, or if this license is restricted to schools, libraries,
non-profit groups, etc.

There are some crazy titles listed there that would make
great fodder for brainstorm events..

If someone can get the straight poop on this company and
report back, it just might be a treasure trove (or an empty
hole, in which case, ignore me - I'm probably just starved for
attention and trying to get on your good side since you haven't
been sending me that money you promised when we were
drinking together last week. Oh, so now you don't remember
me. Typical bastard.)

Baudtender

[Music Man]

In reference to the "guys would rather watch videos".

You really think in a club filled with hot looking teen girls, dressed in skimpy club attire, short skirts, skimpy tops, and considering the teen boys with raging hormones, you seriously think the guys are going to stand around and watch videos????

In my many many years in the teen night club business, I dont think so.

The question should be, would a large video screen with music videos attract more girls to the club. If there are more girls, the guys will follow.

[David]

I think that music videos would help keep these teens interested in staying. If they are anything like the teenagers that I know, MTV and the such are on constantly when ever they are home. When I was a teen, many, many years ago, it was difficult to ask a girl to dance. Once you did, where did you look? If they have a large video screen to look at with current music selections, I think that you help those that get a little embarrassed like I used to. It also gives you another means of in-house marketing for your club. Ten or fifteen second blips between the fourth and fifth music video that advertise your club.

We have been looking at doing this in our club. It's just another thing that would make us "Different" from the competition.

[djhush]

what i did for our video system was a prong use.(im in a teen club)

1 - i got a bunch of visualizers for winamp, incorperated our logo into them, and burnt them to a VCD and play them on loop in our DVD player

the different videos on the CD i have our logo bouncing across the screen, some ones that are like 'tunnel' vision, and a bunch of other cool ass screens allot of the customers say they add to the vibe, we have a bunch of big screens on our stage. they do not go to the beat, but if you could afford a whole computer to run the program then you could easily integrate them with the beat.

2- The other thing we do is hook a camera up to the system and show live video feed of sexy people danceing. Allot of people really like to be broadcast over the club

if anyone wants me to make them a CD we could work something out, im sure no copryight applies because i create the material with the winamp visualization plugin

[Dale J]

Okay...I've had some trouble trying to post the past few days...and so have watched this thread and others waiting until the problem was cleared up...I still don't know what happened, but here I am.... :-)


To teenclubowner: I understand your point of view regarding the "guys won't dance with projection videos"...Hopefully you, or anyone else, don't think I'm some moron who just fell off the turnip truck. I thought it was a good idea to give some input from the group of teens that I've been dealing with as I get my club off the ground. Perhaps I've been misunderstood...so I'll make this plain and simple. When I say "the teens say....", it means that there was a majority agreement that "so and so" was fact as they saw it.

I too agree that with tiny skirts and such that...well...who cares about what's on TV!!!...When I approached the teens about the projection videos, I gave them the impression that it was already decided, and just needed some ideas as to what they might enjoy seeing on the large screen. When I heard the comment "guys would rather watch the screen than dance", my head turned so quick it nearly flew off my shoulders!

We had a discussion about this topic and the girls (again 15-17 yrs ... and definatley don't seem to lack for someone to dance with in terms of looks) all agreed. I still don't totally get this whole TV/dance thing, but when I asked for their vote, they all voted it down. I certainly don't let 15-17 year olds dictate how I spent a couple hundred thousand dollars, but I HAVE to listen to their comments...and decide accordingly.....I thought I would give back my experiences from that group to this one as I've been given so much from here as well.

So, to those that had the idea....I'm not trying to turn this group into some free-for-all for stupid advice...

As for your question "would a large video screen with music videos attract more girls to the club?" ...well, according to my teen group, and as posted in my original post that you quoted,.....apparently not!....but that's just THEIR opinion...not necessarily mine....

Again, Thanks for your opinion teenclubowner...I DO agree about the skimpy skirts...and to everyone else, I WILL post more about what the teens have told me they want from the club that I'm opening.

To be clear about my teen group.....they are made up of Canadian teens. No stereotypes here, but Canadian teens ARE more conservative to nightclub and party experiences than the US teens are. Although bombarded by MTV and the like, the teens in this area have their own style happening and I have yet to hear of someone doing "the freak"(or whatever it was called) as I have read about in some US schools and clubs. Neither group is better than the other, just different. Perhaps other Canadian teen club owners might have some similar experiences as I have found with my group...perhaps not. As a whole, they're teens, our (future) bread and butter and every opinion may not be right, but it should be heard...

Okay, this was a little longer than I wanted to make it. I hope it cleared some confusion.

Dale