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    Bartender/Waitress pay

    I am purchasing a sports bar and previous owner was paying cash to 5 of 7 employees. obviously i have to clean house so was wondering what other owners pay. thanks in advance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackknapp
    I am purchasing a sports bar and previous owner was paying cash to 5 of 7 employees. obviously i have to clean house so was wondering what other owners pay. thanks in advance.
    I am having the same problem and I am going to pay the same rate but they will go on the payroll. Rate may go up if sales goes down though. The place is hopping right now though. I hope this helps.
    Barbara

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    during my turnover with old owner i am just going to ask the cash employees how much they make a week. i know they will brag and say....its a human trait. then adjust from there, prob 3.50 hr plus 45% of there tips, house will get 55%.

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    you might want to check the laws in your state, but in most states, the owner cannot keep any of the tips given to servers and bartenders. we pay 3.50/hr to servers and 5.50/hr to bartenders. 6.50/hr to keyholders.

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    Going RATES ?

    Bartenders usually receive minimum wage plus tips. I have seen a few who did get $2.13 Hour plus tips. Barbacks are minimum wage and get tipped out from the bartenders. Servers usually get $2.13 plus tips.

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    Minimum wage here is $8 per hour. Where is it under $3?????

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    here is a link for mininum wage laws for all states. for florida mininum cash wage is 3.77. there for tips and cash wage must meet 6.79 mininum wage. your right bargirl the "house" cant keep any tips. its also illegal to take % of tips from bartenders/waitresses and give to cooks, chefs, dishwashers etc. some other links included.

    http://www.dol.gov/esa/programs/whd/...ed.htm#Florida

    http://www.dol.gov/esa/regs/compliance/whd/whdfs16.pdf

    http://www.dol.gov/esa/regs/compliance/whd/whdfs15.pdf

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    Jacknapp,
    If you know that the house can't keep tips, then why are you doing it? Or am I misunderstanding what you're talking about.

    Either way, if you are doing it, stop. Shame on you. If you aren't, then disregard that comment.

    Rootsreality, it's under $3 an hour for a lot of states for an employee that has whats considered a "tipped" or service position. This can even be applied to bartenders (and probably should given the money they make too) but usually isn't. Servers generally get paid minimum wage or maybe 50 cents over and bartenders get between that $5 and $7 range. Of course some states pay a little more but I'm going on an average.

    The reason the minimum is so low for "tipped" positions is because getting "tips" is considered a wage by federal standards and offsets the low base pay that an employer pays. Some employers don't actually have to pay any wage because all that they have to do is show that an employee makes the standard minimum of whatever it is in your state (let's say $6.15 an hour). If a server or bartender works a 6 hour shift and shows credit card tips in excess of $36.90, then they (the server) has met the legal limit of pay as required by the state of that $6.15 an hour. Because the employer has documentation of the credit card tip to prove that they made that much in tips, they can show that the employee made that money while working at their establishment. Therefore, the employer has fulfilled the minimum wage requirements set up by the state. As a result, some employees don't even get a check from their employer if they make (in other words "claim") a lot of tips from serving guests. Sometimes, an employee actually owes money back to the employer come pay time BECAUSE they made soo much in tips that they owe so much on state and federal taxes and medicare that, it was more than the difference of their tips versus the minimum wage requirments. This rarely happens but I have seen it in places that were generally higher end where most people pay with a credit card and tip very well. In the scenario I gave you, if the server made around $80 on an average every shift they worked, when pay time came, they would owe money back to the employer to pay taxes on their income. This is where employers can really get away with little money involved in payroll.

    If most of the trasactions are done by cash or check, then usually you don't ever see this. Most places are like this which is why most people have never heard of the scenario I just suggested.

    That's why people in the service industry DO NOT like getting credit card tips. It's BECAUSE they HAVE to claim ALL OR 100% of their credit card tips BECAUSE there is documentation or proof of the tip whereas with cash or checks there is not.

    I hope this made sense and if I'm off a little bit, someone please correct me.

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    yes you are misunderstanding. discussion was employee wages if a new owner was taking over a bar when old owner was paying cash. might want to start from the top and read all before commenting. just a thought.

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    here is my myspace if you would like to see what it looks like. should close 1 junish.


    http://www.myspace.com/hurricanejacks

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    wow.. i never knew there was anywhere in north america that payed $2-3.00 an hour.. in vancouver min. wage is $8.00 and most employers start off with more..

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    In MA they have to report 100% of their tips and hand it over to the employeer. Of course they don't claim all that but they need to report I think 80% from the sale. Just in case peolple don't tip as much as they should. Like I said, I would pay them the same rate but put them on the payroll especially if they are making good tips. IMHO

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    Hey Jacknapp.......I did read the whole thing from the top so no, I wasn't just commenting without reading everything.

    "You smartas*s jerk"

    Anyway, I actually asked you if I was misunderstanding because you stated that you (the house) would be taking 55% of the employees tips so I was hoping you would correct this instead of responding the way you did. Go back and read what you wrote yourself. You stated it, NOT me. The way it reads, it could be interpreted as the employer taking 55% of an employee's tips, and keeping them, so that threw me off.....(only because of the legality issue and all).

    Your original question referred to employees being paid cash (which as you know isn't legal either) so I didn't understand why this was relevant. Why didn't you just simply ask what others were paying as a normal or average wage for some of their positions? What they made in cash from the previous employer is irrelevant because it's not the way that employees are supposed to be paid. You're starting from scratch so you can pay them whatever you feel is appropriate. I'm assuming that you're just trying to get other people's opinions on what they've been paying their employees so you can make a fair rate of pay with current industry standards right?

    I'm sorry if I took your comments the wrong way but maybe I read something wrong.

    I'm glad you put the information from the IRS site on here. I saved it to my computer as good "future info."

    ---FYI FOR YOU---
    You might want to go back and change your bar's profile so that it can accept anyone instead of it being private. If I can't get into your myspace page to check out your bar and see some pictures, what's the point of having the myspace page? I thought you wanted people to see it. Just a thought. Please don't think I'm being sarcastic here, it's really just an observation, that's all.

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    Although the myspace page is private you can see the photo with a little work.

    On my computer the myspace ID box blocks most of the pic but I moved the cursor to the background photo and then right clicked and selected "View background image" to see the entire photo of the bar.

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    Which positions do you have in your bar? I mean you obviously have bartenders, but do you also have barbacks, ****tail waitresses &/or servers, busboys, etc?

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    I will have 5 bartenders and 2 cooks. small menu, easy stuff to cook.

    scott1988 the thing with myspace is that if you let anyone add you will end up with 100 new friends everyday that end up linking to show private pic's and porn stuff. if you want to be added just hit the add button. more pics inside.

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    Jacknapp,

    True. Don't need any more spam. I got enought to fill up Google.............."wait a minute."

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